Brenden Brown leads Heirs Church in San Francisco — one of the most unchurched cities in America. In this conversation, he opens up about planting a church across 29 venues in 8 years, navigating a healthy transition from Hillsong, and discovering that identity shapes everything in ministry.
From trading jackets with strangers to praying with Uber drivers, Brenden shares how everyday moments become divine appointments when you see people the way God sees them. He talks about the challenge of ministry in post-Christian contexts, the power of story in evangelism, and why understanding we’re sons and daughters before we’re disciples changes how we lead and serve.
If you’re leading in a hard place or wondering how to help your people live on mission, this episode will encourage you.
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