Unreached People Groups with Chris Clayman (Joshua Project)

In this episode of the ⁠⁠⁠Innovative Church Leaders podcast⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Dr. Eric Bryant⁠⁠⁠ interviews ⁠Chris Clayman⁠ of the ⁠Joshua Project⁠, an organization that highlights peoples and places with the least access or response to the gospel

Chris shares about the importance of reaching unreached people groups and the innovative ways churches can engage in global missions.

Join us at the ⁠⁠⁠Beyond Us Conference⁠⁠⁠ in October 2025 in Waco, TX.

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Revitalizing the Church with Sarah Jackson

In this episode of the ⁠⁠⁠Innovative Church Leaders podcast⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Dr. Eric Bryant⁠⁠⁠ interviews ⁠Sarah Jackson⁠ from ⁠Revitalise Trust⁠.

Sarah shares about the revitalization of the Church of England, the impact of leadership development, and the return of young people to faith.

🔥 Top 5 Takeaways:

1. Revitalize Trust aims to reverse the decline of the Church of England.
2. Church planting and giving away leaders are crucial for church revitalization.
3. Young people are returning to faith in surprising ways.
4. Community outreach is an important aspect of the church’s vital role in society.
5. Investing in future leaders and collaboration among churches are key to sustained growth and impact.

THE INNOVATIVE CHURCH LEADER PODCAST AND GIVEAWAYS:

We want to help pastors experience and bring renewal through Spirit-led innovation, reaching new people, and making disciples who make disciples.

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Serving Among the Poor with Jimmy Dorrell

In this episode of the ⁠⁠Innovative Church Leaders podcast⁠⁠, ⁠⁠Dr. Eric Bryant⁠⁠ interviews ⁠⁠⁠⁠Jimmy Dorrell⁠, founder of ⁠Mission Waco Mission World⁠.

They discuss Jimmy’s ministry serving the poor and shares about the importance of stepping out of comfort zones and entering the pain of those in need.

Join us at the ⁠⁠Beyond Us Conference⁠⁠ in October 2025 in Waco, TX.

🔥 Top 5 Takeaways:

1. You Can’t Reach the Poor from a Distance—You Have to Live Among Them
Real ministry begins when we leave our comfort zones and move into the neighborhoods that need us most.

2. Compassion Is Entering the Pain of Others
True compassion means walking with people in their suffering, not just serving from a distance. It’s about presence, empathy, and solidarity.

3. Relationships Are the Heartbeat of Community Transformation
Programs don’t change lives—people do.

4. Theological Depth Fuels Real-World Impact
When grounded in Scripture, justice and mercy become powerful expressions of the gospel.

5. Experiential Learning in Hard Places Will Change How You Lead
Challenging environments can radically reshape our vision, leadership, and love for people.

THE INNOVATIVE CHURCH LEADER PODCAST AND GIVEAWAYS:

We want to help pastors experience and bring renewal through Spirit-led innovation, reaching new people, and making disciples who make disciples.

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God Is On the Move! with Christine Caine

In this episode of the ⁠Innovative Church Leaders podcast⁠, ⁠Dr. Eric Bryant⁠ interviews ⁠Christine Caine⁠ who shares her insights on the global movement of God, the importance of discipleship, and the church’s role in justice and mission work.

⁠Christine’s personal testimony has led her work to start A21⁠ which seeks to end slavery. She highlights the transformative power of faith and the urgency of action in today’s society.

Join us and Christine at the ⁠Beyond Us Conference⁠ in October 2025 at Baylor University.

🔥 Top 5 Takeaways:

1. “God is Moving Around the World—Are We Ready?”People are coming to faith in surprising places across the globe. This global momentum is a wake-up call for church leaders in the West to reignite their passion for the mission of Jesus.

2. “Gen Z Doesn’t Want Fluff—They Want Real Answers”Young people today are spiritually hungry but skeptical of surface-level religion. The church must engage with deep, honest, and relevant discipleship that actually speaks to their lives.

3. “Justice Isn’t a Trend—It’s Biblical”Justice is not just a social movement; it’s central to God’s heart and mission. Churches that embrace this will be more aligned with Scripture and more effective in reaching their communities.

4. “Your Story Could Be Someone’s Turning Point”Personal testimonies still carry incredible power. Sharing your faith story—even casually—can unlock conversations and transformation in people who are spiritually searching.

5. “The Church’s Best Days Are Ahead—If We Focus on Jesus”Despite challenges, the church can thrive again. By returning to Jesus at the center, we’ll find clarity, courage, and direction for the future.

THE INNOVATIVE CHURCH LEADER PODCAST AND GIVEAWAYS:

We want to help pastors experience and bring renewal through Spirit-led innovation, reaching new people, and making disciples who make disciples.

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Spirit-Led Innovation

Have you ever thought about how creative God is?

From the tiniest atom to the vastness of space, from the intricate design of a snowflake to the complexity of the human brain – God’s innovative nature is on display everywhere we look.

And those are just things we can see with a microscope, the naked eye, or a telescope. We cannot even imagine the beauty of the unseen realm.

God doesn’t just create things and walk away. Throughout history, He’s constantly coming up with new ways to connect with the people He created.

From Genesis to Revelation we see God’s innovative nature. God created light and brought order to a formless world, demonstrating creative power in Genesis 1. In Revelation 21:5, He proclaims: “Behold, I am making all things new” showcasing His ability to innovate and renew.

We see His creative and innovative nature with the people of Israel in passages such as the following:

God fills craftsmen with skills to create artistic designs, reflecting His innovative spirit. (Exodus 31:1-6)
God creates innovators and tools for His purposes, emphasizing divine creativity. (Isaiah 54:16)
God promises a new covenant, replacing the old with a transformative relationship. (Jeremiah 31:31-34)

The Scriptures share so many examples of the active, creative, and innovative approach God takes to reach out to the people He created.

From the way He provided clothing for Adam and Eve after they ate the forbidden fruit, to the promise with a rainbow that He made with Noah after the flood, to the Ten Commandments He gave to Moses, to the talking donkey who spoke to the rebellious “prophet” Balaam, to the new covenant He made through Jesus, to the introduction of the presence of the Holy Spirit, God continued to introduce new ways of interacting with people. God communicated important messages to those He desired to reach by sending prophets, signs and wonders, natural disasters, angels, and even a star at the birth of Jesus.

One of the most important verses on God’s innovative nature comes from Isaiah 43 when God says:

“Forget the former things; do not dwell on the past. See, I am doing a new thing! Now it springs up; do you not perceive it? I am making a way in the desert and streams in the wasteland.” – Isaiah 43:18

The entire chapter is beautiful as God promises protection and redemption to the people of Israel.

This isn’t just poetry – it’s God’s declaration that He’s in the business of doing new things.

Innovative Church Leaders rest in the love of God and stay in step with the Spirit. We seek to find what God is doing and join Him in His work.

Too often as pastors and church leaders we try to find the next gimmick as our quick fix or we try to make things happen in our own strength which can leade to burnout or flameout.  

Healthy church leaders bring health to their churches.

God is doing a new thing, and we have the opportunity to join Him so that through us He will build His Church!

Reach New People

As church leaders, too often we call the people in our churches to follow Jesus for the ‘benefits’ we might receive. We do this when we are inviting people into a relationship with Christ and even when we seek to recruit others to serve. Should it surprise us when people don’t get involved or even move from church to church, trying to find the one that best meets their needs? Even worse, should we be surprised when people walk away from this consumeristic version of Jesus altogether?

When we choose to follow Jesus for what He can give to us, we miss out on what He was actually inviting us to do! Jesus knew that if we lost our lives in serving others, through this journey we would truly find our life (Mt. 10:39).

I suppose we are all on a path towards either dictatorship or Billy Graham. We are torn between a life filled with selfishness and a life of selflessness. May we experience the beauty of a fully surrendered life with Jesus as our Leader while we invite others to do the same.

“The church isn’t here to meet our needs.  We are the church, here to meet the needs of the world.” – Erwin McManus in An Unstoppable Force: Daring to Become the Church God Had in Mind

Too often the Church has been seen as exclusive and judgmental instead of loving and authentic.

Too often we end up more like chaplains caring for our people rather than mobilizing our people to care for those around us.

Too often we may assume people are not interested when they are actually searching.

We have the opportunity to change this by serving, loving, and influencing our neighbors, family, and friends.

The God of the Universe continues to interact with His creation in His active pursuit of humanity. Motivated by His love, God continues to reach out in innovative ways. Created in His image and called to join Him on His mission of redeeming mankind, followers of Jesus need to follow God’s lead.

We are invited by God to follow His Spirit so that we see Jesus’ prayer answered more and more that “God’s Kingdom come His will be done on earth as it is in heaven.” (Matthew 6:10)

The church is in the business of New Creation.

A helpful definition of the church comes from the Gospel Coalition says:

“The church is the new covenant people of God, rooted in the promises to Israel and inaugurated by the Holy Spirit, which refers both to all believers in Jesus Christ, both living and dead, and to local gatherings of believers.”

The beginning of the Scriptures reveal humanity in God’s presence in paradise – the Garden of Eden. The end of the Scriptures describes paradise restored. In John’s revelation, he saw “a new heaven and a new earth” and “the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.” John heard a voice from the throne proclaim: “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away” (Revelation 21:1-4).

As biblical scholar N.T. Wright and co-host of our cohort in 2026 points out in his writings, lectures, and interviews. Too often the church either tries to rule the world or renounce the world and our main question we seem to ask is “how do we get to heaven?” instead of the more important question: “how does God come to live with us?”

In his book Surprised by Hope: Rethinking Heaven, the Resurrection, and the Mission of the Church, Professor Wright points out that too many Christians have a Platonist view of heaven as opposed to the biblical understanding of a new heaven and new earth. He emphasizes that the biblical view is not about escaping to a distant, spiritual realm (the Platonist view), but rather about God’s plan to bring heaven’s reality to earth, ultimately resulting in a renewed creation where heaven and earth are united.He writes:

“Jesus’s resurrection is the beginning of God’s new project not to snatch people away from earth to heaven but to colonize earth with the life of heaven. That, after all, is what the Lord’s Prayer is about.”

– Dr. N.T. Wright

We innovate as we follow the Spirit’s lead knowing that God’s ways are higher than our ways. We innovate in order to be good stewards of creation and develop solutions that glorify Him and promote flourishing. We innovate to bring more beauty, more justice, and more goodness to our world so that others might join us in God’s Kingdom.

In another section, Wright reminds us:

“The point of the resurrection…is that the present bodily life is not valueless just because it will die…What you do with your body in the present matters because God has a great future in store for it…What you do in the present—by painting, preaching, singing, sewing, praying, teaching, building hospitals, digging wells, campaigning for justice, writing poems, caring for the needy, loving your neighbor as yourself—will last into God’s future. These activities are not simply ways of making the present life a little less beastly, a little more bearable, until the day when we leave it behind altogether (as the hymn so mistakenly puts it…). They are part of what we may call building for God’s kingdom.”

– Dr. N.T. Wright

In other words, Tim Keller points out that “We are called to be both the hands and the voice of God in a broken world, actively working to bring about justice and alleviate suffering.”

When we live out our calling and vocation with the heart of Jesus, we will be surprised with who says “yes” to joining us on our mission.

Making Disciples Who Make Disciples

The church in the USA is experiencing a rapid decline – much like the Church has experienced in the rest of the Western World.

In an article from December 2024 called “Churches fight to stay open as attendance dwindles,” Steve Osunsami and Sean Keane write: “In the late 1940s, nearly 80% of Americans said they belonged to a church, synagogue, mosque, or temple, according to Gallup. Today, just 45% say the same, the analytics company noted, and only 32% say that they worship God in a house of prayer once a week. In 2019, before the COVID-19 pandemic, America was losing as many as 1,000 churches a year.”

In January 2024, the Pew Research Center reported on the fastest growing religious group in the United States – the “nones.” These are people who indicate they have no religious affiliation. They write: “Today, about 28% of U.S. adults are religiously unaffiliated, describing themselves as atheists, agnostics or “nothing in particular” when asked about their religion…. Most “nones” say they were raised in a religion, usually Christianity. Yet today, they tend to be disconnected from religious institutions…. About half say spirituality is very important in their lives or say they think of themselves as spiritual.”

Of those who do attend a church that practices orthodox biblical Christianity, not all who participate have a biblical worldview. Their Christian faith is often a part of their life rather than the guiding force of all that they do.

The Cultural Research Center at Arizona Christian University reported on the work of the Barna Group writing: “The first national study of Americans’ worldview since the COVID-19 lockdowns shows that the incidence of biblical worldview has fallen to a mere 4%… Within the born-again population (just 33% of the adult population), a shockingly small proportion (13%) hold a biblical worldview.” This means many people who call themselves followers of Jesus are not actually trying to live and think like Jesus or do not fully understand what that means.

To dive into a biblical worldview a bit more, here are the beliefs that followers of Jesus with a biblical worldview hold according to the Barna research group:

There are absolute moral truths that apply to all people, regardless of their circumstances.
Moral truth is defined by the teachings of the Bible.
Jesus Christ lived a sinless life as described in the Bible.
Jesus is central to your faith and worldview.
God is the all-powerful and all-knowing Creator of the universe.
God continues to rule over the universe today.
Salvation is a gift from God and cannot be earned through human efforts.
Satan is a real spiritual being, as described in the Bible.
Christians have a responsibility to share their faith in Christ with other people and look for ways to do so in wise ways.
The Bible is accurate in all of its teachings.

When we have a biblical worldview, we are seeking to grow to think and act more like Jesus. We believe God is calling all who follow Jesus to represent Him well in how we think and how we live. In doing so, we will help those without faith find faith, and we will bring more of heaven to earth.

The Time is Now

The last ten years have been incredibly difficult for pastors. With political divisiveness at an all time high, we were then faced with a global pandemic which left some churches meeting online for almost two years and many churches seeing regular attendance plummet.

Now is the opportunity to start afresh.

I am reminded of the late great NFL coach Vince Lombardi who started every training camp with the same speech year after year saying to the players while holding a pigskin: “Men, this is a football.” He wanted to start with the basics and even remind them of the love of the game they developed when they first picked up the sport as children.

When we look at the last words of Jesus to His disciples and see how they lived it out, we can go back to the basics and rediscover our calling.

We are to make disciples who make disciples.

Too often we make it too complicated and over-engineer things.

Before ascending to the right hand of the Father, Jesus said to His disciples:
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” – Jesus, Matthew 28:18-20

We see that after the Spirit came to empower the early church, they began to live this out in a beautiful way.

They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43 Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved. – Acts 2:42-47

Now, we all know the early church struggled with heresy, immorality, and conflict. That becomes obvious in the letters from the apostle Paul to the churches he started and the leaders he invested in. That is because ministry is messy because people are messy.

How beautiful it is though when the local church simplifies back on our mission of reaching people who grow in their faith and reach people who grow in their faith who reach people.

As we help our people find faith and bring more of heaven to earth, we realign with God’s invitation to us.

Weird, Dangerous, and Compelling with Dr. Nijay Gupta

In this episode of the Innovative Church Leaders podcast, Dr. Eric Bryant interviews Dr. Nijay Gupta, a New Testament scholar, author, and professor at Northern Seminary. He invites us to rediscover the wonder of the Bible and the radical nature of early Christianity. He explores how the early church’s unity, generosity, and deep respect for human dignity can inspire modern Christians to live with greater intentionality, love, and purpose.

Nijay is the author of the following books:

5 Key Takeaways:

1. The Bible should be approached with wonder and imagination.
2. Early Christians were radical in their faith and actions.
3. Unity among Christians is lacking and needs to be addressed.
4. The church must confront its failures and scandals honestly.
5. Returning to the foundational teachings of Jesus is essential for renewal.

THE INNOVATIVE CHURCH LEADER PODCAST AND GIVEAWAYS:

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The God You Need to Know with Margaret Feinberg

In this episode of the Innovative Church Leaders podcast, Dr. Eric Bryant interviews Margaret Feinberg about her new book, The God You Need to Know: Experience the Holy Spirit’s Power and Presence Today, which explores the role of the Holy Spirit in the lives of believers.

Margaret is a popular Bible teacher, speaker at churches and conferences, host of The Joycast podcast, and author of Scouting the Divine, Fight Back With Joy, Taste and See, among many others. She was recently named one of 50 women most shaping culture and the church today by Christianity Today. 

5 Key Takeaways:

  • The Holy Spirit is present in moments of pain and loss.
  • Gideon’s story teaches us about discernment and questioning God.
  • The Holy Spirit can guide us through dreams and personal experiences.
  • Practicing awareness of the Holy Spirit can transform lives.
  • Community is essential in the discernment process.

THE INNOVATIVE CHURCH LEADER PODCAST AND GIVEAWAYS:

We want to help pastors experience and bring renewal through Spirit-led innovation, reaching new people, and making disciples who make disciples.

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Repurposing the Church with Mark DeYmaz

In this episode of The Innovative Church Leaders Podcast, Dr. Eric Bryant interviews Mark DeYmaz discuss the journey of Mosaic Church in Little Rock, focusing on multi-ethnic ministry, innovative church economics, and community engagement.

Mark shares insights on bridging the gap between humanity and divinity in church outreach, emphasizing the importance of nonprofits and sustainable models for church growth. He offers practical advice for new church leaders, highlighting the need for passion, prayer, patience, and persistence in their ministry efforts.

5 Key Takeaways:

1. The importance of multi-ethnic ministry.
2. The church must engage with the community to be relevant.
3. Multiple streams of income are essential for church sustainability.
4. Church economics must adapt to the community’s needs.
5. Passion, prayer, patience, and persistence are key to success.

THE INNOVATIVE CHURCH LEADER PODCAST AND GIVEAWAYS:

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