What if the real barriers to reaching secular communities are the assumptions we bring with us?
I recently interviewed Mandy Santos, Spiritual Formation Pastor at Echo Church in Silicon Valley. They planted expecting hostility in one of America’s most de-churched regions. Instead, they found neighbors who joined the launch team before believing and atheists who eventually started baptizing others.
The reality of ministry in post-Christian contexts often looks different than we expect. Mandy shares insights from years of experience in the Bay Area—navigating leadership transitions, creating space for both skeptics and disciples, and building formation rhythms that don’t feel like performance.
If you’re wrestling with how to stay accessible while going deeper, or simply rethinking what discipleship looks like in your context, this conversation offers a perspective worth hearing.
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